Nawet po nerfie będą duuuuużo lepsi niż pre 3.0, więc stfu zamiast petition.

do tych nerfow jeszcze powinni dorzucic niemozliwosc korzystania z special attackow w bance

Wszystko fajnie ,a niby ktora klasa jest gorasza po 3.0 ??, moze i byli z deka przegieci, ale zeby az tak nerfic do samej ziemi i to 2 tygodnie przed dodatkiem, mieli tyle czasu wczesniej, tysiace ludzi gralo w bete, po prostu patalachy i tyle, a dps retri mial z dupy nawet na Patchwerk`u zadna rewelacja, a to undead i przed nerfem http://gwai.org/Stasis/Beta/sws-patchwerk-1224471301/index.html, wszyscy podobnie ubrani.

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Wszystko fajnie, ale tu nie chodzi o pve. W pve taki dmg to nawet za dazo patrzac na utility jakie ma pala.
W pvp paladyn zdejmowal cie w swoim 7 sekundowym stunie szatana i nic nie mogles na to poradzic. Nawet jak sie trinketnelo pierwszy HoJ, to drugi byl za 20 sekund. Oh snap ;]

Jakie do samej ziemi znowu. Przecież piszę, że po nerfie będą lepsi sporo niż przed 3.0, więc o co chodzi?

Aha, jaka klasa jest gorsza? Warlock.
To znaczy same talenty go nie znerfiły, tylko wypada najgorzej na tle zmian w innych klasach.

Ja pytalem, ktora klasa jest gorsza po 3,0 niz przed, a nie ktora klasa jest najgorsza. Zmiany u palka sa wprowadzane byle jak, jakies zlodziejskie hotfixy itp, po prostu zachowuja sie tak jak by przez 3 miechy nic nie wiedzieli i nie slyszeli, a teraz nagle sie obudzili i chca na szybko cos zrobic i robia to gownianie zreszta. Tak "do ziemi" bo takiego nerfa, zadna klasa jeszcze nigdy nie miala po prostu butem w glebe i tyle.

Kazdy szanujacy sie palek Ci to samo powie ten talent jest po prostu debilny praktycznie masz HoJ`a co 10 sec (13 sec dokladnie po tym jak sie pierwszy skonczy), to i tak potwiedza to co wczeniej napisalem nie wiem co za barany tam siedza w tym Blizzie.

edit: fajnie gosc napisal, dokladnie o to mi chodzi:

simply "why did blizzard not see that pallies on beta seemed to need such a HUGE nerf?" (basically 45% of crit dmg, 20% of overall dps, 50% of mana regen - how do you miss that if you even bother to test at all?)...the pally changes shouldn't ever have gone live, as now ret pallies are either "loladins", etc, or "those %*$@$ who kept beating me in pvp for 3wks pre LK going live and got a deserved nerfing"...great.

Takie małe pytanko, jaki enchant jest najlepszy na 2H axe dla ret palka?

mangusta.

ew. langusta.

No i jest już blue post odnośnie zmian pałka w 3.0.3

Paladin (Skills List / Talent Calc. (9183))

Skills
Holy

* Judgement of Light now grants attacks and spells made against the judged enemy a chance of healing the attacker. (Old - Didn't include spells)
* Judgement of Wisdom now unleashes the energy of a Seal spell to judge an enemy, giving each attack a chance to restore 2% of the attacker's maximum mana.
* Seal of Wisdom now deal [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 1 ] holy damage when unleashed. (Down from [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 1 ] Holy damage)
* Seal of Light now has a chance to heal for [ 15% of AP + 15% of Spell Power ]. (Down from [ 28% of AP + 28% of Spell Power ])
* Seal of Light now deals [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 1 ] (down from [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 1 ]) holy damage when unleashed.
* Seal of Righteousness now grants each melee attack [ 2.2% of Melee Weapon Speed * AP + 4.4% of Melee Weapon Speed * Spell Power ] additional Holy damage. (Down from [ 2.8% of Melee Weapon Speed * AP + 5.5% of Melee Weapon Speed * Spell Power ])

Protection

* Righteous Defense cooldown has been changed to 8 seconds. (Down from 10 seconds)
* Seal of Justice now deals [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 1 ] holy damage when unleashed. (Down from [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 1 ])

Retribution

* Judgement of Command Holy damage reduced from 56% to 45%.
* Blessing of Might (Rank 8 ) and Greater Blessing of Might (Rank 3) now increase AP by 306. (Up from 305)
* Seal of Corruption now deals [ 15% of AP + 8.8% of Spell Power ] additional holy damage over 15 seconds. (Down from [ 19.2% of AP + 9.6% of Spell Power ])
* Seal of Corruption now deals [ 14% of AP + 22% of Spell Power + 1 ] Holy damage. (Down from [ 17.5% of AP + 28% of Spell Power + 1 ])
* Seal of the Martyr now make all your melee attacks deal [ 22% of mw ] to [ 22% of MW ]. (Down from [ 28% of mw ] to [ 28% of MW ])
* Seal of the Martyr now deals [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 36% of mw ] to [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 36% of MW ] Holy Damage when unleashed. (Old - [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 25% of mw ] to [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 25% of MW ] Holy damage)
* Seal of Blood now make all your melee attacks deal [ 22% of mw ] to [ 22% of MW ]. (Down from [ 28% of mw ] to [ 28% of MW ])
* Seal of Blood now deals [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 36% of mw ] to [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 36% of MW ] Holy Damage when unleashed. (Old - [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 25% of mw ] to [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 25% of MW ] Holy damage)
* Seal of Vengeance now deals [ 15% of AP + 8.8% of Spell Power ] additional Holy damage over 15 sec. (Down from [ 19.2% of AP + 9.6% of Spell Power ])
* Seal of Vengeance now deals [ 14% of AP + 22% of Spell Power + 1 ] Holy damage. (Down from [ 17.5% of AP + 28% of Spell Power + 1 ])
* Judgement of Wisdom now restores 1% of the attacker's maximum mana. (Down from 2%)
* Judgement of Light now has a chance to heal the attacker for [ 10% of AP + 10% of Spell Power ]. (Down from [ 18% of AP + 18% of Spell Power ])


Talent
Holy

* Infusion of Light now reduce the cast time of your next Flash of Light by 0.75/1.5 sec or Holy Light by 0.5/1 sec. (Old - Didn't affect Flash of Light)
* Judgements of the Pure now increases your casting and melee haste by 3/6/9/12/15% for 1 minute. (Up from 2/4/6/8/10%)
* Enlightened Judgements now increases the range of your Judgement spells by 15/30 yards. (Up from 10/20 yards)

Protection

* Hammer of the Righteous now causes 4 times your main hand damage per second. (Up from 3 times)
* Shield of the Templar now also reduces all damage taken by 1/2/3%.

Retribution

* Sanctified Retribution now increase damage caused by targets affected by Retribution Aura by 3%
* Divine Storm doesn't deal Holy damage anymore. Now heals up to 3 party or raid members for 25% of the damage caused. (Up from 20%)
* Righteous Vengeance changed to - When your Judgement and Divine Storm spells deal a critical strike, your target will take 8/16/24/32/40% additional damage over 8 sec.
* The Art of War now increases the damage of Judgement, Crusader Strike and Divine Storm by 5/10%. (Old - Increased critical strike damage only, by 10/20%)
* Judgement of the Wise now grants the paladin 15% of his base mana. (Down from 33%)
* Seal of Command now deals [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 24% of mw ] to [ 16% of AP + 25% of Spell Power + 24% of MW ] Holy damage. (Down from [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 30% of mw ] to [ 20% of AP + 32% of Spell Power + 30% of MW ])


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Najbardziej podoba mi się zbuffowanie paladynów cytuję: ""# Blessing of Might (Rank 8 ) and Greater Blessing of Might (Rank 3) now increase AP by 306. (Up from 305)"

W końcu znerfia bo nie dało się z tym grać ....albo przecwi temu ....[/code]

Jestem ciekawy jak z przydatnoscia retri paladynów , czy w koncu znajda sie dla nich miejsca w rajdach czy dalej beda na drugim planie

W rajdach na pewno znajdzie.

Od 4 lat gram w wowa, obecnie gram palkiem, uważam go za przyjemną w graniu klasę. Jest on niedoceniany z uwagi na fakt że 99% ret paladynów to totalne nooby liczące na burst dps, nie mający pojęcia o mechanice gry oraz klas, nie mówiąc o mechanice samego palka...
W dobrych rękach jest on tak dobry jak mag czy rogal. Oczywiście ma kilka wad i zalet jak każda klasa ale mozna nim pokazać to i owo.

Palek potencjał DPS'u ma ogromny, odpowiedni dobór gearu+zdrowy rozsądek to podstawa. Do tego dobre CC, duża przeżywalność, unikatowe skile, buffy, aury. Co tu mówić, dla skilled ret palka zawsze znajdzie się miejsce.

Holy Build do PvP na 80 lvl anyone?

hm?

Repentance, cc na minute. Działa na wielu rodzajach mobków, instant.

ktos moglby podrzucic talent tree do lvlowania od poczatku tzn od 0 ?
domyslam sie ze retri, ale nie bardzo wiem w co ladowac

Ja daje rade sie utrzymac w top 3 dmg done w naxx jako ret, wiec jest ok.


A co do levelowania - ja levelowalem w prot, i bylo zajebiscie Moze ret jest latwiejszy teraz. Trudno mi powiedziec ;]

Zdecydowanie Ret, i wielkiej filozofi tam nie ma,raczej intuicyjnie i w co bys nie wrzucil bedzie ok.

@up Wasz dps musi ssac