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Autor: | Huckster [ 18 paź 2006, 10:08 ] |
Tytuł: | Kreutzet - czyli do kroćset! 1/2 - woot! |
Wczoraj rozpocząłem akcję kampienia Sirocco Kukri - o 13:54 zabili go japońcy (nie dropnął). O 22:54 wraz z Lesiem, Zetem puppetem, Jauronem i dwoma NPC zaczęliśmy kampować NMa zabijając przy okazji Cockatrice i Manticory. Po Dynamisie dołączyli do nas - Xavery, Rhaegal i Vejitta - i akurat jak biegli do nas popnął (ok 0:10). Niestety - nie rzucił ;(( Kolejne okno zaczynało się o 9:14 - na miejscu campowała trójka Japończyków (thf + rdm + nin). Zjawcia i Kyuubipl zgodzili się pomóc, po chwili dołączył do nas Tomala (+ puppet Zet) - biliśmy z 1.5h Manticory i Cockatrice i popnął przy pierwszym windzie! Początek szedł gładko - ale walczyliśmy za blisko wejścia do tunelu i zaggrowała Manticora i Cockatrice (/panic). Stormwind x3 też nie ułatwił sprawy - byliśmy NAPRAWDĘ blisko wipe'a - ale Zet dzielnie odpalił Benediction (chociaż Zjawcia padła). I udało nam się zabić! I DROPNĄŁ! Dzięki wszystkim!!!!!!!!!! Super szybka akcja! )) |
Autor: | zet [ 18 paź 2006, 10:11 ] |
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GRATKI HUCK!!! UBER THIEF Ciesze sie, że moglem pomóc |
Autor: | Duszek [ 18 paź 2006, 10:12 ] |
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grats fajnie bylo |
Autor: | Kyuubi [ 18 paź 2006, 10:23 ] |
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Grats ^^ |
Autor: | swordsman [ 18 paź 2006, 10:37 ] |
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wow nice grats! Czekam na testy |
Autor: | Tomalsky [ 18 paź 2006, 10:38 ] |
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Graty. A przy okazji mam pytanie, czemu na Twoich screenach i paru innych osób jest inna czcionka i inne wskaźniki? Masz chyba też jakaś inną ikonkę cieni. |
Autor: | Kyuubi [ 18 paź 2006, 11:16 ] |
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mnie też to zastanawia |
Autor: | ksawery [ 18 paź 2006, 11:35 ] |
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http://brandson.livejournal.com |
Autor: | Huckster [ 18 paź 2006, 16:43 ] |
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Może THFów zainteresuje to: Kod: I've recently (just this morning) been shown the formulas that regulate TP build
with delay so to try and help me out I've done a few calcs. Might have a few mistakes here and there but it all seems to be in order. This is to give you and idea of dmg per second and tp gain. Of course you need to factor in your acc and such but if only your weaps change, those factors should not modify the outcome of these stats. I havent done any calcs for WS dmg and such yet might check that up later. Here goes: This will examen the statistical performance of these 6 combos as they seem to be the most talked about. Using the formulas from ffxiclopedia and is considered that once over the 100 tp bar, a WS will be used to maximize your dmg output. I have willingly left out weapons such as X’s Knife and Mandau as they are so rare and so good that if you ever happen to fall upon one, they should immediately be considered as your best weapon. Weap stats: Harpe/P.Harpe: Dmg: 35/37 Delay: 210 Blau Dolch: Dmg: 33 Delay: 178 Att + 16, Acc + 5 NOTE: again, this is assuming that you’ll be using WS as soon as you hit 100% tp Misericorde+1 Dmg: 28 Delay: 178 Dex,Vit and Mnd +3 Sirocco Kukri Dmg: 26 Delay: 150 Additionnal Wind dmg that triggers 100% of the time Heart Snatcher Dmg: 30 Delay: 205 Critical Hit Rate+6% Behemoth Knife+1 Dmg: 32 Delay: 201 Att+10 -------------------------------------------------- Harpe/Blau: Total Delay: (210 + 178) * 0.85 = 329.8 Delay/weap: 164.9 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 - 164.9) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 - 15.1 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.874 Rounded TP: 4.8 Time/weap/swing: 164.9 / 60 = 2.75 TP/weap/sec: 4.874 / 2.75 = 1.77tp/sec RTP/weap/sec : 4.8 / 2.75 = 1.755tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (35 + 33) * 0.5 / 2.75 = 12.36 Avg Dmg/sec : (37 + 33) * 0.5 / 2.75 = 12.73 (P.Harpe) Blau/Misericorde+1: Total Delay: (178 + 178) * 0.85 = 302.6 Delay/weap: 151.3 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 151.3) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 28.7 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.761 Rounded TP: 4.7 Time/weap/swing: 151.3 / 60 = 2.52 TP/weap/sec: 4.761 / 2.52 = 1.89tp/sec RTP/weap/sec: 4.7 / 2.52 = 1.865tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (33 + 28) * 0.5 / 2.52 = 12.10 Blau/Sirocco Kukri: Total Delay: (178 + 150) * 0.85 = 278.8 Delay/weap: 139.4 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 139.4) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 40.6 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.661 Rounded TP: 4.6 Time/weap/swing: 139.4 / 60 = 2.323 TP/weap/sec: 4.661 / 2.323 = 2.006tp/sec RTP/weap/sec : 4.6/2.323 = 1.98tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (33 + 26) * 0.5 / 2.323 = 12.70 Blau/Heart Snatcher: Total Delay: (178 + 205) * 0.85 = 325.55 Delay/weap: 162.775 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 162.775) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 17.225 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.8565 Rounded TP: 4.8 Time/weap/swing: 162.775 / 60 = 2.71 TP/weap/sec: 4.8565 / 2.71 = 1.79tp/sec RTP/weap/sec: 4.8 / 2.71 = 1.77tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (33 + 30) * 0.5 / 2.71 = 11.62 Harpe/Sirocco: Total Delay: (210 + 150) * 0.85 = 306 Delay/weap: 153 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 153) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 27 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.775 Rounded TP: 4.7 Time/weap/swing: 153 / 60 = 2.55 TP/weap/sec: 4.775 / 2.55 = 1.87tp/sec RTP/weap/sec: 4.7 / 2.55 = 1.84tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (35 + 26) * 0.5 / 2.55 = 11.96 Avg Dmg/sec: (37 + 26) * 0.5 / 2.55 = 12.35 Blau Dolch/Behemoth Knife +1 Total Delay: (178 + 201) * 0.85 = 322.15 Delay/weap: 161.075 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 161.075) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 18.925* 1.5 / 180 = 4.84 Rounded TP: 4.8 Time/weap/swing: 161.075 / 60 = 2.685 TP/weap/sec: 4.84 / 2.685 = 1.80tp/sec RTP/weap/sec: 4.8 / 2.685 = 1.79tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (33 + 32) * 0.5 / 2.685 = 12.1 -------------------------------------------------- Recap: From a tp gain stand point, Blau/Sirocco is the winner B/M: -5.8% H/S: -6.8% B/BK: -10.2% B/HS: -10.8% H/B: -11.8% If TP is truly rounded down to the nearest tenth then: B/M: -5.8% H/S: -7.1% B/BK: -9.6% B/HS: -10.6% H/B: -11.4% Note: Without any Store TP items or other modifiers, B/HS and H/B will achieve 100TP in 21 hits where B/M and B/S take 22 bringing B/HS and H/B back to more or less 5-6% difference with B/S For DPS, B/Sirocco also wins: H/B: -2.7% B/M: -4.7% B/BK: -4.7% H/S: -6.1% B/HS: -8.5% So for normal TP gain and DPS, the Blau Dolch/Sirroco combo is the best but the following must also be considered: 1- Sirroco and Heart Snatcher are drops 2- Heart Snatcher has +6% crit 3- Harpe has higher dmg then Blau and therefore would net you a stronger WS 4- Sirocco has low dmg so has a better chance of hitting for 0 on mobs but the enaero effect triggers at a rate of 100% 5- Behemoth Knife+1 has attack +10 and blau dolch has att+16 Also there is one item that will greatly change these stats and that is the Suppanomimi as it brings the Dual Wield modifier to 80% delay compared to 85% -------------------------------------------------- Harpe/Blau: Total Delay: (210 + 178) * 0.80 = 310.4 Delay/weap: 155.2 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 155.2) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 24.8 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.79 Rounded TP: 4.7 Time/weap/swing: 155.2 / 60 = 2.59 TP/weap/sec: 4.79 / 2.59 = 1.85tp/sec RTP/weap/sec : 4.7 / 2.59 = 1.815tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (35 + 33) * 0.5 / 2.59 = 13.13 Avg Dmg/sec: (37 + 33) * 0.5 / 2.59 = 13.51 Blau/Misericorde+1: Total Delay: (178 + 178) * 0.80 = 284.8 Delay/weap: 142.4 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 142.4) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 37.6 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.687 Rounded TP: 4.6 Time/weap/swing: 142.4 / 60 = 2.37 TP/weap/sec: 4.687 / 2.37 = 1.97tp/sec RTP/weap/sec: 4.6 / 2.37 = 1.94tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (33 + 28) * 0.5 / 2.37 = 12.87 Blau/Sirocco Kukri: Total Delay: (178 + 150) * 0.80 = 262.4 Delay/weap: 131.2 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 131.2) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 48.8 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.59 Rounded TP: 4.5 Time/weap/swing: 131.2 / 60 = 2.187 TP/weap/sec: 4.59 / 2.187 = 2.1tp/sec RTP/weap/sec : 4.5/2.187 = 2.06tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (33 + 26) * 0.5 / 2.187 = 13.49 Blau/Heart Snatcher: Total Delay: (178 + 205) * 0.80 = 306.4 Delay/weap: 153.2 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 153.2) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 26.8 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.78 Rounded TP: 4.7 Time/weap/swing: 153.2 / 60 = 2.55 TP/weap/sec: 4.78 / 2.55 = 1.875tp/sec RTP/weap/sec: 4.7 / 2.55 = 1.84tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (33 + 30) * 0.5 / 2.55 = 12.35 Harpe/Sirocco: Total Delay: (210 + 150) * 0.80 = 288 Delay/weap: 144 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 144) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 36 * 1.5 / 180 = 4.7 Rounded TP: 4.7 Time/weap/swing: 144 / 60 = 2.4 TP/weap/sec: 4.7 / 2.4 = 1.95tp/sec RTP/weap/sec: 4.7 / 2.4 = 1.95tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (35 + 26) * 0.5 / 2.4 = 12.71 Avg Dmg/sec: (37 + 26) * 0.5 / 2.4 = 13.125 Blau Dolch/Behemoth Knife +1 Total Delay: (178 + 201) * 0.80 = 303.2 Delay/weap: 151.6 Tp/weap: 5 + (180 – 151.6) * 1.5 / 180 = 5 – 28.4* 1.5 / 180 = 4.76 Rounded TP: 4.7 Time/weap/swing: 151.6 / 60 = 2.527 TP/weap/sec: 4.76 / 2.527 = 1.88tp/sec RTP/weap/sec: 4.7 / 2.527 = 1.86tp/sec Avg Dmg/sec: (33 + 32) * 0.5 / 2.527 = 12.86 -------------------------------------------------- This does not change the fact that B/S is still best at both tp/sec and dmg/sec but lets check the stats again: Tp/sec: B/S best B/M: -6.2% H/S: -7.1% B/BK: -10.4% B/HS: -10.7% H/B: -11.9% With rounded tp values: B/S best H/S: -5.3% B/M: -5.8% B/BK: -9.7% B/HS: -10.7% H/B: -11.9% Dmg/sec: B/S best H/B: -2.7% B/M: -4.7% B/BK: -4.7% H/S: -5.8% B/HS: -8.5% As for the number of hits to get to 100tp: B/S 23 Others 22 Which is a 4.3% increase in tp build up speed for the 5 other builds making B/M almost as fast as B/S. -------------------------------------------------- Lastly, Store Tp bonuses will affect tp building speed and it is possible to reduce the number of attacks required to get to 100tp by adding Store tp items to your tp build the most popular of these items are Rajas Ring, Chivalrous Chain and Brutal Earring although it is possible to get more. Using the 3 mentioned, a total of +7 Store Tp is gained. This brings tp gain to: (first without suppa then with) B/S: 4.99 4.9 4.91 4.9 B/M: 5.09 5 5.02 5 B/HS: 5.196 5.1 5.11 5.1 H/B: 5.215 5.2 5.13 5.1 H/S: 5.06 5 4.98 4.9 B/BK: 5.13 5.1 5.05 5 Without suppa, B/S requires 21 hits and others 20 but only needs an additional store tp+1 to knock off 1 hit. This can be attained with the bushido cape With suppa, B/S will require 21 hits and others 20. -------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: For pure TP build, Blau Dolch/Sirocco is the clear winner but this build also offers the least dmg. If you want to go for Tp build and you are unable to a Sirocco, the B/M is the way to go. As for pure dmg I believe H/B is probably the best build since Harpe has 9 dmg more then sirocco which will help against high def mobs and will net you stronger WSs. But for VT and under in a Burn pt, I think B/S is still best for dmg output and the 100% enaero on Sirocco also stacks up to good dmg. If it is possible for you to obtain these 2 daggers, I highly recommend it as statisticly they provide the all round best results. As for B/HS since I have not played with it yet, I cannot testify to how much the crit rate bonus will help so I’ll leave that one to your judgement. -------------------------------------------------- This table can help you check which is best for you it tells the ranking of each combo for each criteria. Dmg/sec TP/sec TPw/Suppa MainHandDmg H/B 2 6 6 1 H/S 5 3 2 1 B/S 1 1 1 3 B/M 3 2 3 3 B/HS 6 5 5 3 B/BK 3 4 4 3 |
Autor: | mik [ 18 paź 2006, 17:14 ] |
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Fajny test, and gratz on Sirocco, teraz tylko party, party i zrob dagger wreszcie na 8/8 |
Autor: | swordsman [ 18 paź 2006, 20:25 ] |
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thf fajnie zamiata nozykami i wszystko byloby super gryby nie to, ze na hnmach musi i tak ograniczyc sie do SA/TA :[ szkoda ze gosc nie wzial pod lupe takze mercurical krisa |
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