http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/ ... ref=slogin
Dawno sie tak nie obsmialem. W wowie cos podobnego jest nie do pomyslenia
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| Autor: | Nestor [ 7 cze 2007, 19:00 ] |
| Tytuł: | Nowe podejscie CCP do korupcji. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/ ... ref=slogin Dawno sie tak nie obsmialem. W wowie cos podobnego jest nie do pomyslenia
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| Autor: | Nishruu [ 7 cze 2007, 19:06 ] |
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Moglbys przekleic artykul? Logging in suxorz |
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| Autor: | Nestor [ 7 cze 2007, 19:09 ] |
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Hrr, nie wymagalo odemnie zadnego loginu, pierwszy raz to otwieram, anyway, przeklejam. The kingdom is in crisis. After pledging to treat its citizens equally, the government stands accused of unfairly favoring one powerful, well-connected political faction. Many citizens have taken to open dissent, even revolt, and some are threatening to emigrate permanently. Skip to next paragraph Enlarge This Image A scene from the multiplayer Internet game Eve Online. This specter of corruption has emerged most recently not in some post-colonial trouble spot but in the virtual nation of an Internet game called Eve Online (population 200,000) where aspiring star pilots fight over thousands of solar systems in a vast science-fiction universe every day. So now, in a sociological twist, the company that makes Eve, CCP, based in Iceland (population 300,000), says it will tackle the problem the way a democracy would. In what appears to be a first, the company plans to hold elections so that players can select members of an oversight committee. The company will then fly those players to Iceland regularly so they can audit CCP’s operations and report back to their player-constituents. And taking cues from transitions to democracy in the developing world, CCP says it will call in election monitors from universities in Europe and the United States. “Perception is reality, and if a substantial part of our community feels like we are biased, whether it is true or not, it is true to them,” Hilmar Petursson, CCP’s chief executive, said in a telephone interview. “Eve Online is not a computer game. It is an emerging nation, and we have to address it like a nation being accused of corruption. “A government can’t just keep saying, ‘We are not corrupt.’ No one will believe them. Instead you have to create transparency and robust institutions and oversight in order to maintain the confidence of the population.” That confidence has been badly shaken in recent months as many players have become convinced that CCP has rigged the game in favor of a mighty alliance of players called Band of Brothers. “Once again it seems that several of your employees have been up to no good,” members of a rival alliance called Goonswarm wrote in an open letter to CCP that was posted on the Internet over Memorial Day weekend. The letter detailed various allegations of misconduct, including a claim that a CCP developer had improperly infiltrated a Goonswarm group. For nongamers and those whose gaming habit consists of a few rounds of Minesweeper during conference calls, it can be difficult to understand the emotional depth and commitment among players of so-called massively multiplayer online games, or M.M.O.’s. Players of such games, who generally pay about $15 a month for access, often spend thousands of hours over many years building their online personas, accumulating virtual power and wealth and often making friends with other players from all over the world. The most famous and popular M.M.O. is the fantasy game World of Warcraft, which now has more than eight million subscribers. But there are factors that make Eve in some ways more intense than World of Warcraft or other M.M.O.’s. Most notable perhaps is that all 200,000 of Eve’s users occupy the same virtual galaxy. In most online games, including World of Warcraft, players are split up among dozens or even hundreds of copies of the game world, known as servers. Each server may have a total population of only 10,000 or 20,000 people, and at any moment perhaps only 5,000 players are actually online. In Eve, however, there is only one game world, and there are routinely 30,000 people within it at one time. And while a serious World of Warcraft guild might have 50 members, major alliances in Eve have thousands of members. Also contributing to Eve’s distinction is the management of its “reality”: the game’s story line and politics are generated almost entirely by the players, not the game developers. In Eve, for example, player alliances control vast expanses of digital real estate, including hundreds of planets. There are some areas that are safe for all players, known as Empire space, but much of the galaxy is called “0.0” space, which means that there is zero security or police presence there to protect players, as in many games. In the 0.0 systems, virtual life is a literal free-for-all among warring player groups. If you fly your spaceship into a 0.0 system controlled by another alliance, you will almost certainly get shot on sight, no questions asked. And so the various alliances of Eve Online fight epic campaigns for control of territory that essentially continue around the clock for months on end. In an interview over an Internet voice chat program, the player known as SirMolle, chief executive of Evolution, one of the player corporations in Band of Brothers, said that his alliance’s goal was to take over every solar system in the game. “Our goal in Eve is to control all of 0.0 space, and when that’s done we’re going to take over the empire one by one and control the empire as well,” he said. (SirMolle would not reveal his real name but said that he is a 40-year-old manager for a heating and cooling company in Sweden.) The content is not real, in much the same sense that Tony Soprano and Scarlett O’Hara are not real. But for players to feel as if their investments of time and money have worth, they must believe that the company that makes the game is maintaining the fiction in good faith. And so CCP’s credibility took a hit earlier this year when news leaked on Internet message boards that a company employee who played the game under the name T20 as a member of Band of Brothers had in essence given his in-game friends rare and valuable technical blueprints that allowed them an unfair advantage over other players. Band of Brothers returned the blueprints to the company, but the damage had been done. One player for Band of Brothers, Blacklight, who said he is a business consultant in Britain in real life, called the incident “a blow” in an Internet voice chat interview. Then, over Memorial Day weekend, Goonswarm publicized its latest allegations. Last week the company rebutted those specific charges; in the case of the alleged infiltrator the company said that the employee was merely trying to fix a bug in the game code. But a broader problem was revealed: Many Eve players, writing on various message boards, said they simply do not trust CCP anymore. So now CCP plans the radical step of opening itself up to independent oversight: nine player-overseers who will act as ombudsmen for the game’s subscribers. The company says it will hold the elections in the fall. “I envision this council being made up of nine members selected by the players themselves, where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis,” said Mr. Petursson, CCP’s chief executive. “They can see that we did not make this game to win it.” |
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| Autor: | Nishruu [ 7 cze 2007, 19:11 ] |
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No prosze, ciekawe rozwiazanie. Zobaczymy, jak to bedzie wygladalo w praktyce. [EDIT] Moze troche OT, ale jesli ktos nie widzial nowych modeli, to niech zobaczy jak smakowicie zapowiada sie np. nowy Megathron. Chyba kiedys go sobie kupie dla samego wygladu :> Stary Megathron odslona pierwsza i stary Megathron odslona druga, a tu natomiast nowy Megathron um i nowy Megathron dois. Nice, isn't it? 
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| Autor: | Sou [ 7 cze 2007, 20:35 ] |
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Nie wiem co ci gracze mieli by tam zobaczyc ;] Jak samo CCP nie potrafi zobaczyc ze jakis GM rozdaje BPO to na pewno gracze ktorzy tam wpadna na pare dni wszystko wysledza;] No ale wycieczke sobie zrobic darmowa tez fajna sprawa;p |
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| Autor: | Zychoo [ 8 cze 2007, 07:00 ] |
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Zgadzam sie z Sou. Musieliby zalozyc specjalny dzial audytu zlozony z graczy, ktory nic by nie robil tylko kontrolowal, bo jak sobie przywioza jakiegos pana raz na jakis czas to najwiekszy przekret mozna ukryc. |
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| Autor: | Mendol [ 8 cze 2007, 07:30 ] |
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taaa niewazne czy ktos cos robi, ale skrytykowac trzeba. moze chociaz czasami warto by docenic ze devsi sie staraja? bo jak na razie to tylko widze narzekania i marudzenia ZE w ogole cos robia. pewnie najlepiej jak w wow/daoc maja wszystkich w dupie i robia kase. ale coz widocznie taka polaka natura. |
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| Autor: | Sou [ 8 cze 2007, 07:43 ] |
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No ale pomysl jest bez sensu wiec czemu ma mi sie podobac?;] |
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| Autor: | Shadhun [ 8 cze 2007, 07:46 ] |
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Nie jest bez sensu, zawsze takie rozmowy "oczyszczają" atmosferę, pozwalają wyjaśnić sprawy w lepszy sposób niż konwersacja na odległość. U mnie, chociażby za takie niekonwencjonalne myślenie mają plusa. |
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| Autor: | Zychoo [ 8 cze 2007, 07:50 ] |
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Mendol napisał(a): niewazne czy ktos cos robi, ale skrytykowac trzeba.
moze chociaz czasami warto by docenic ze devsi sie staraja? bo jak na razie to tylko widze narzekania i marudzenia ZE w ogole cos robia. pewnie najlepiej jak w wow/daoc maja wszystkich w dupie i robia kase. ale coz widocznie taka polaka natura. Co?!? Opanuj sie chlopie. Krytyka jest natyralna konsekwencja kazdego dzialania, szczegolnie takiego ktore nie ma na celu przyniesienie zadnych skutkow. A jej wyrazanie nie lezy w naturze jakiegos konkretnego narodu, a raczej w naturze czlowieka myslacego. Nie wiem co nazywasz 'natura polaka' (swoja droga najidiotyczniejszy z argumentow jaki mozna wytoczyc), ale proponuje zastanowic sie nad tym czy przypadkiem opinia "dobrze, ze cos robia, nie wazne ze chuj to daje" nie jest swietnym tego przykladem. PLONK @Shad Zupelnie bez sensu nie jest, fajny ruch, ale na pewno walczyc z korupcja za pomoca tego nie beda. |
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| Autor: | Mendol [ 8 cze 2007, 08:20 ] |
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lol no to zes powiedzial
czlowiek myslacy ma to do siebie ze krytykuje to co mu sie nie podoba, a jest w stanie pochwalic to co mu odpowiada. zastanawiac sie nie musze, wystarczy ze przeczytalem twoja odpowiedz. skad wiesz ze nic nie da? zrobili to juz? mozna oceniac? nie, wiec moze daruj sobie tego typu komentarze, ktore z gory, neguja kazda probe dzialania podjeta przez ludzi. imo kazdy czlowiek moze uzywac argumentow jakie uwaza za stosowne a to ze ktos oburza sie na prawde to juz naprawde jego problem
anyway eot bo znowu sie jakies gowno robi. polecam poczytanie watkow na tym forum to moze zrozumiesz o co mi chodzi, a na razie polecam chlopie polanie glowy zimna woda i wyluzowanie troche bo chyba niepotrzebnie sie denerwujesz. chociaz podobno prawda w oczy kole. no faktycznie ccp ma jakis pomysl to zly i chujowy. nie robi nic jest jeszcze gorsze i bardziej chujowe. i takie male bledne kolo sie robi. tak czy siak cieszmy sie sloncem i piekna pogoda
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| Autor: | Ash [ 8 cze 2007, 10:02 ] |
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chyba ze podczas takiej wycieczki pokaza graczom niezbite dowody na to ze na korupcje nie ma szans ;] imo GM rozdawac nie bardzo cokolwiek moze bez wiedzy przelozonego, bo nad kazdym GMem siedzi kontrola i wszystko na pewno jest monitorowane, jesli o czymkolwiek moze byc mowa to o jakiejs glebszej 'korupcji' - tylko po co to wszystko? zeby zrobic dobrze grupie kolegow? CCP ma u mnie duzego plusa za kreatywnosc i niekonwencjonalne podejscie do sprawy ;] |
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| Autor: | Ashton [ 8 cze 2007, 10:41 ] |
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Mendol napisał(a): lol
no to zes powiedzial :-) czlowiek myslacy ma to do siebie ze krytykuje to co mu sie nie podoba, a jest w stanie pochwalic to co mu odpowiada. No to teraz mozesz zostac ministrem edukacji :) pan romek tez tak mysli :) |
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| Autor: | Mendol [ 8 cze 2007, 10:46 ] |
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na chuj mi minister edukacji? za biedna domena, nie ma szans sie szybko dorobic ;-p |
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| Autor: | Ashton [ 8 cze 2007, 10:51 ] |
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bedziesz mogl mature se do poziomu dopasowac |
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| Autor: | lutus [ 8 cze 2007, 10:56 ] |
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Mendol napisał(a): na chuj mi minister edukacji?
za biedna domena, nie ma szans sie szybko dorobic ;-p za to bedziesz w telewizji!! A co do tej rady - mysle, ze same wyjazdy do iceziemi za duzo nie dadza, jezeli udostepniono by narzedzia, do niewidocznego nadzoru gmow, to wtedy bylbym pod wrazeniem. |
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| Autor: | Mendol [ 8 cze 2007, 12:25 ] |
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mature niestety mam juz w chuj czasu a z tego co wiem to jakos nie bardzo mozna/jest sens zdawania jej po raz drugi. ale tobie pierwsze podejscie za to moglbym ulatwic
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| Autor: | Ashton [ 8 cze 2007, 12:40 ] |
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ano przydaloby sie :) niechce mi sie jakos robic szkoly sredniej, najlepiej bym mogl zdac testy w ciagu miesiaca i odrazu zrobic mature ;P mniej czasu by mi to zezarlo ;) |
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| Autor: | Mendol [ 8 cze 2007, 12:43 ] |
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tak od razu to raczej bys nie zrobil
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| Autor: | Zychoo [ 8 cze 2007, 12:51 ] |
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lutus napisał(a): A co do tej rady - mysle, ze same wyjazdy do iceziemi za duzo nie dadza, jezeli udostepniono by narzedzia, do niewidocznego nadzoru gmow, to wtedy bylbym pod wrazeniem.
Zgoda, to byloby cos. Ten wyjazd to w sumie taka turystyka. Bede kandydowal. |
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