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Jako ze ten niby 'nowy system walki' ktory ktos tu tak nazwal bedzie niczym innym jak dodaniem drzewek rozwoju i kilku kosmetycznych zmianach (takich jak zroznicowanie obrazen w zaleznosci od broni czy tez opoznien na akcjach zaleznych od broni), o czym bylo wiadomo z linka z pierwszego postu, tu jest comlink z opisem jak te drzewka maja wygladac (bardzo ogolnie).

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Przykladowo dla jedi na poczatek bedzie drzewko sciezki (wybor dark lub light mocy? ) oraz drzewko ogolne (zapewne z bonusami do machania mieczem itp). Po uruchomieniu tego dla wszystkich profesji (zapowiadaja 4 profesje na publish) maja niby dodac kolejne drzewko GCW.

Mylisz expertise system z wlasnie ''nowym systemem walki'' (wlasnie, kto to tak nazwal? :roll: ) To sa dwie inne rzeczy.


Garva na forum też zwrócił na to uwagę, że "Expertise System" to nie to
samo co "CU2" :wink:


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tak czy inaczej dobrze ze powoli wracaja stare czasy (drzewka profesji, combat, są nawet szanse że jeszcze troche i bedzie mozna mieszac profki

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Mylisz expertise system z wlasnie ''nowym systemem walki'' (wlasnie, kto to tak nazwal? :roll:- chyba ja ) To sa dwie inne rzeczy.


Masz racje :) Expertise system to co innego niz zmiany w combacie (ktore za nic nie wygladaja na nowy system, ba nawet na przerobke starego). Jak na razie tylko dodanie opoznien, critical hits, glancing blows i combat log! :) . Nadal bedzie to FPS taki jak do tej pory (z dodaniem odrobiny strategii). Szkoda tylko, ze ten expertise system z opisu bardzo przypomina talenty wowa, ciekawe jak wyjdzie z wykonaniem.


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CU2 na TC !

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Based on the feedback of the past few months, we’ve been working on some general combat improvements. The goal of these enhancements is to make combat more challenging and interesting by:

Adding Enhanced Targeting
Adjusting the length of time a battle takes to conclude
Adding more weapon damage
Making specials more meaningful in combat by enhancing the strategy of your encounters
Adjusting creature and NPC difficulty
We’ve decided to release these changes to you early in order to allow for as much feedback as possible. Keep in mind that what you will see on TC is not the final iteration of the changes, but only the start. As such, don’t be alarmed if something works a little different than you might first expect. You may also find that combat is entirely too difficult or too easy in some instances. Try fighting lower level enemies if you are having a hard time surviving as the NPC’s are doing some serious damage right now. Your feedback from these play tests will be an integral part of the balance changes we make going forward, so don’t be shy to get out there and try it out. We’ll also have Blue Character Builder Frogs available to make play testing easier for you.

These changes will only be on TC for a limited number of days before we take them down to make adjustments. We’ll have focused threads up on our boards to help get the kind of detailed feedback we’re looking for on this. Please try to specifically test the following areas:

Group Play – Do you feel more strategic and interdependent? Is it too easy or too hard to fight creatures in groups? Please keep note of the number of people in your groups.
Solo Play – Same as with groups, are you able to be strategic? How many creatures can you take on at a time?
Default Weapon Damage vs. Special Attack Damage – How does the balance between the two feel? Remember that for most specials, the kind of weapon you’re holding will make a big difference.
PvP – How do you hold up in PvP versus the various professions and levels. Is PvP combat over too fast or does it take too long?
As a suggestion, if you are finding little success in battle or are soloing, fight lower-level NPC’s than your current level (start at NPC’s 10 or more below your current level and work from there) so that you can focus your efforts on the strategy of combat and not the difficulty of the enemy. Critical in your feedback is your ability to be strategic, find your specials more useful, and function with increased interdependency in battle and as we mentioned before, right now the NPC’s are tough!

Thanks for playing and see you on TC!



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As promised in last week's com-link, here's what's on deck for TC2 today.

Motivation & Goals

Overall, the majority feedback we've collected from the boards and elsewhere suggests that combat is currently perceived to resolve too quickly, thus leaving little room for strategic choices or meaningful attacks beyond the standard left-click shot. With the GCW becoming a major factor in our game within the near future, we want to make sure that the core combat system is enjoyable for most players as combat will be a major aspect of the war.

The goal of these rule changes is to

Bring strategy back into combat
Decrease default attack speeds to possibly allow for more natural looking animations while at the same time keeping the overall "laser shooting", action-paced feel that combat currently has.
While not immediately part of this change, these changes lend themselves to bringing back the combat log so players can once more track combat in greater detail.
These changes also directly play into the upcoming Expertise system where players will be able to permanently modify some of their combat "variables" by spending points in some of the Expertise trees. A player might increase her chance to land "critical hits" for instance. Read on to get some details about crits and glancing blows at the end of this comlink.
Base Combat Changes

Weapon damage will be adjusted upward (this is what we've been calling the "weapon retrofit", i.e. we're retrofitting the weapons for more damage) to account for the damage we are removing from combat caused by being a particular level. Currently a player does most of her damage based on what level she is. This will no longer be the case.
Damage against an unarmored opponent (all non-elite, non-boss npc enemies) is expected to be within a couple of points of the listed weapon damage, barring any damage modifiers the player might have gained from various sources (loot perhaps, or an Expertise for instance).
All actions have 2 timers. An execution timer (during which no other action in the game may be executed, because you are "busy doing something else") and a cooldown timer (during which you cannot perforam that particular action again, but you can perform other actions). This is currently the case in the live game and will continue to remain true.
Currently, primary left click attacks (also know as default attack) have an execute time of 0.25 seconds. After this change, default attacks will have an execute timer of zero (0) but will gain a cooldown timer that is determined by the weapon speed (i.e a weapon that has a 0.4 speed will only be able to shoot the default attack every 0.4 seconds). This change shifts the primary combat strategy from "left click until it dies" to making more meaningful special attack decisions, given various variables in any given combat, since default attacks will not always be available.
As mentioned, default attacks have no execute time. In practice, this means that specials can be executed immediately following or during primary attacks. This will fix the issue of attacks firing visually on the server and in the UI (cooldown starts counting down) but not on the server (you don't actually get healed, for instance).
Considering the control scheme in SWG it will be difficult to execute a variety of specials AND run around at the same time ( movement being the primary left hand responsibility while the right hand is busy aiming with the mouse). This means that moving in combat actually becomes an "action" (conceptually speaking) you take to effect the outcome of a fight (much like executing specials). In other words, a player now chooses whether to stand and fight (increased DPS through more criticals and use of specials) or run around to be harder to hit because of the targeting scheme as well as the increased chance of glancing blows (see below). Running around becomes a defensive action that one does instead of offensively using specials.
AI Creatures will once again change weapons if they have a secondary weapon to switch to.
Critical Hits

Attacks now have a chance to be "Critical Hits" that do additional damage in addition to a special effect if you are using a weapon with a heat, cold, electricity or acid elemental damage property.
Critical Hits are indicated to the attacker by differently colored fly text and words such as (Critical Hit) displayed next to the damage caused.
The chance to critical hit is influenced by the Agility and Luck stats at X % for every Y points of each. In addition, there is a bonus to score a critical if you are not moving. Additional modifiers due to posture may be added added if posture use in combat makes a comeback. We'd like to hear your feedback on this, especially.
Critical chance may also be modified by buffs and eventually by the Expertise System.
If the player is using a weapon with one of the aforementioned elemental effects the critical will have an additional effect. Heat criticals set the target on fire for a short period of time, cold criticals snare the target, electrical criticals cause the target to have an increased chance to do a glancing blow attack and acid criticals cause the target to become vulnerable to additional criticals for a short period of time.
Cold, electrical and acid critical secondary effects last for about three seconds. After this time the target is immune to those secondary critical effects for about six seconds. Any criticals scored during that time with a cold, electrical or acid weapon are reduced "normal" criticals that just do increased damage.
Glancing Blows

Attacks now have the chance to be "Glancing Blows" which do trivial damage to the target, currently 1/25th of their normal damage.
Glancing Blows are indicated to the attacker by grey fly text with the words (Trivial Hit) displayed next to the damage.
Glancing Blows are indicated to the defender by green fly text with the words "Glancing Blow".
The chance of scoring a glancing blow is modified by the Agility stat at a rate of about X % for every Y points and the Luck stat at the rate of P% for every N points.
A moving attacker using a ranged weapon has an increased chance to be land a glancing blow attack. Additional modifiers due to posture may be added.
Glancing Blow chance may also be modified by buffs and eventually by the Expertise System.


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Juz na TC? To napiszcie jakie sa wasz wrazenia.


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2.7h ściągania patchy :o


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Testuj testuj Enhu i melduj co i jak - moze w koncu da sie do tej gry wrocic?


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jak dodadza drzewka profesji... pewnie tak, poki co jakos nie ma zbytnio sensu


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testowalem chwilke i spodobalo mi sie. narazie widzialem nowy celownik. Kazda bron ma swoj speed. Jest base damage oraz przerwy podczas zadawania ciosow. Reszte sprawdze pozniej :)


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Byłbym dozgonnie wdzieczny za demo... ;)

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Mozna biegac i strzelac ? skakac ? chowac sie za skrzyniami/scianami ? :)


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Biegac i strzelac zawsze mogles ;p
A skakanie w SWG... animacja jest rozwalajaca :lol:
Chowac sie za skrzynami i scianami tez zawsze bylo mozna.

Chyba ze ten post byl bardzo sarkastyczny, a ja jestem na tyle tępy, ze nie zrozumialem go:(

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Nie byl sarkastyczny, ale fakt po twoich wypowiedziach wnioskuje ze go nie zrozumiales :<


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No bo widocznie za tępy jestem zeby pojac twoje posty:(

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no niezle, narazie Czerka Dart Carbine Uber Alles !

ta bron sieje kinetic dmg :D


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Ja sie pytam czy da sie w koncu w toto pograc i czy choc troche bedzie grywalnoscia przypominalo CU (bo o pre-cu nie ma co marzyc), a nie o to co robi Czerka :p


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Pieprzony enhu ;/


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ja miałem 5cio minutowy duel z Commando, i powiem, ze mu nakopalem do dupy :D

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Pieprzony enhu ;/

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demo dawaj, albo w ryj dać moge dać.:P

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demo dawaj, albo w ryj dać moge dać.:P


co demo daj ?

zsubskrybuj sobie :P


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